Far Cough
3:49 Sun Jul 24
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Hahaha
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neilalex
3:48 Sun Jul 24
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FC, you and I both know that Uncle Joe had it sussed.
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Darlo Debs
3:45 Sun Jul 24
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Yet in a lot of places where mass immigration is most prevalent isnt in areas where it is feared most by white english working class voters. Sunderland being a good example. Whilst being first to declare a leave vote in EU referendum and while many voted on basis of immigration, there is very little immigration in the area and not nearly enough to depress wages.
One of Corbyns better ideas is to better regulate undecutting of wages which will naturally limit numbers where there is an issue. Cant think why that message is being drowned out
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Far Cough
3:45 Sun Jul 24
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neil, so you don't think my system will work then?
:-)
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neilalex
3:42 Sun Jul 24
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Fundamentally they are more concerned with being politically correct than with getting elected. The Tories are the opposite, in the sense that they have very few values or beliefs that they won't ditch in the interests of getting into power.
In essence it's a fringe party/activist mentality, and to my mind it actually lets the traditional labour voter down badly. All the silly fucker has to do is say that he's listened to the electorate, and the Labour Party will reflect their views. But doing that would be total anathema to the rabidly PC wankers that dominate the 'activist' side of Labour.
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The Kronic
3:38 Sun Jul 24
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Darlo Debs 3:22
Yep and it ain't going to be Owen Smith. In fact I can't think of a single Labour MP who has the charisma or political savvy to become its next PM.
And this is against Teresa May ffs! One minute she thinks she's Ed Milliband, the next, Maggie Thatcher.
She's just another Tory fraud who will soon have her own crisis to contend with regarding Brexit.
Still, the PLP seem to like her.
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The Kronic
3:30 Sun Jul 24
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neilalex 3:17
Yep. That's what I find bemusing. The one policy in which 'Corbynistas' and Blairites have in common is that neither have a problem with mass immigration, despite the negative consequences this policy has on the traditional Labour voter.
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Darlo Debs
3:22 Sun Jul 24
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Kronic possibly so what with losing Scotland. Not sure its due to them being any worse as politicians, I just think the English electorate is more right than left leaning and i think it would take a very special Labour leader to change the narrative and challenge the status quo in any significant way.
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Far Cough
3:21 Sun Jul 24
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I like the Soviet system better, one party, one dictator and a brutal police chief
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neilalex
3:17 Sun Jul 24
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Corbyn's unelectable too. The nub of the problem is the disparity between the right on views of the 'activist' labour party, and the right wing views of the average working class bloke on certain subjects. Corbyn will get annihilated principally on immigration, and he has to accept that it really does matter to his target electorate that he'd be likely to let all and sundry in. Defence matters as well; his stance on Trident will alienate him from huge swathes of people. On top of all that, he won't be trusted with the economy.
The left need to find a way of mashing together UKIP and their current policies to really have a chance. Good luck with that.
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Hermit Road
3:10 Sun Jul 24
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Corbyn said the Labour leader should face reelection annually, that was when he thought he'd never be leader though. Now he doesn't think so.
Corbyn and McDonnel have more faces than a town hall clock.
All calm voices and nice guy he television studio, utter wrong uns outside of it.
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Sven Roeder
3:10 Sun Jul 24
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So when Jeremy wins what happens next?
The opposition in limbo for 4 years unable to field a shadow cabinet or
100 plus MP's resigning their seats and forcing 100 by-elections
or
100 MP's forming another party
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The Kronic
3:04 Sun Jul 24
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The PLP were unelectable long before Corbyn, Debs and even more so now.
The timing for their self serving coup won't be forgotten or forgiven.
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Sven Roeder
3:01 Sun Jul 24
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I believe both sides have probably behaved poorly and I wouldn't trust either lot to run a WHELK stall.
Bunch of petty crybabies
Good thing the country and position of the world is so PEACHY so that we can indulge this sort of childish rubbish, hey?
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Darlo Debs
2:59 Sun Jul 24
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I cant ever remember a siruation like this. The sytem for choosing a labour party leader is suicidal. Whetver you believe of the PLP they obviously have a case for seeing that he is making the party unelectable, and tet they get no real say in electing a leader they can work with. Its untenable.
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Hasans Fish Bar RIP
2:56 Sun Jul 24
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I think it was crassus who said you should read up on your opposites. I read loads of Paul foot etc and while I would probably disagree with most of his stances he stood his ground and never towed the party line of he didn't fancy it. In this age of post Blair personality politics maybe his face doesn't fit. But I cant help liking the fella for what he's doing right now. And as has been said on here I like the fact he's not biting etc.
A bit toothless in PMQ sometimes when he had ample opportunity to bag Cameron,.but I think politics would be a.worse place without him in it.
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The Kronic
2:53 Sun Jul 24
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There have been threats dished out by both sides. Not that you'd ever believe that if you only choose to listen to the pathetic MPs within the PLP and the media outlets they pick to sob to.
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WHOicidal Maniac
2:51 Sun Jul 24
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The Kronic 2:50 Sun Jul 24
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I go along with that
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WHOicidal Maniac
2:51 Sun Jul 24
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Sven Roeder 2:47 Sun Jul 24
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Gentler type of politics = foam rubber brick through Angela Eagles window
Gentler type of politics = telling recalcitrant female Labour MP's they will be raped. But only after they have been taken to dinner & bought flowers
Yeah that brick thing was a lie. The brick was thrown in to a communal stairwell in an office block that happened to house her office, nothing to do with politics....
As for the Rape thing and the call to daddy, I have no idea what thats about, first I have heard of it but I dont read papers so that might explain it.
As I have said, The shit people will say to protect the status quo is staggering.
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The Kronic
2:50 Sun Jul 24
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It's his job to hold the government to account though, and he's not doing this by making PMQ's an absolute breeze for the PM
He can still be his own man by asking a question and then attacking the answer instead of simply ignoring it.
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Sven Roeder
2:47 Sun Jul 24
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Gentler type of politics = foam rubber brick through Angela Eagles window
Gentler type of politics = telling recalcitrant female Labour MP's they will be raped. But only after they have been taken to dinner & bought flowers
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